@ Phizzy: "For Bible believers like the JW's this would contradict the words of Revelation..."
Maybe ET is one of the 144,000.
see jws have said time and again jesus died once for all time... a quote from hebrews.
okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... i once had a hot fight with an elder when i still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc.
yet not based on any wt article witnesses reject this often.. lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on ceres (i doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) they are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would mother say in the magazines when millions of jehovah's witnesses demand to know why jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?.
@ Phizzy: "For Bible believers like the JW's this would contradict the words of Revelation..."
Maybe ET is one of the 144,000.
see jws have said time and again jesus died once for all time... a quote from hebrews.
okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... i once had a hot fight with an elder when i still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc.
yet not based on any wt article witnesses reject this often.. lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on ceres (i doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) they are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would mother say in the magazines when millions of jehovah's witnesses demand to know why jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?.
@ Finkelstein:
"Astronomers estimate 100 billion habitable Earth-like planets in the Milky Way, 50 sextillion in the universe"
Unfortunately the majority of those planets would be in the core of our galaxy where stars are so close together that they could pull planets out of their orbit freezing them; increase cometary bombardment eliminating complex life from forming; and getting fried by novas/supernovas that are close by. Life might be very common but advanced life might not.
The book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe has a good and very readable explanation of how this would play through. Highly recommended.
i received the following reply to my email.
water covering the entire surface of our planet by means of a flood.
well the ice layers prove it never occurred.
1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).
7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.
then his servants said to him: look!
Cold Steel, on the subject of witches, is this your belief?
humans have produced many movies on extraterrestrials.
yet all of them are shown in ugly form.
why cant we depict an et more beautiful/handsome than humans.
Xanthippe:
"Lots of attractive aliens in the Star Trek movies and series. Lots of beautiful and handsome Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons."
Those aliens might seem beautiful because they fall into the range of slightly altered humans. Real aliens would make Abiather's skin crawl. In fact closely related species like Homo Erectus would have a most ugly face by our standards.
humans have produced many movies on extraterrestrials.
yet all of them are shown in ugly form.
why cant we depict an et more beautiful/handsome than humans.
@ Abiather:
"Why can’t we depict an ET more beautiful/handsome than humans. With our infinite potential for imagination, we are still UNABLE even to depict something better than humans just in physical appearance!"
We can't do it because our concept of beauty is limited to a certain range of forms that define our specific species. Our egocentric concept of beauty does not determine the possibility of aliens who themselves might find us ugly.
i've been rummaging around on bart ehrman's blog and such and managed to distill six cogent views about.
the book of revelation, i thought i share for whatever it is worth.
1. parts of the book of revelation could scarcely be explained if it were written by jesus own disciple, john.
i don't know what the current definitive rule is that determines whether someone is viewed as an "active publisher" or not.
i've seen comments suggesting that it is reporting a certain minimum number of hours per month which seems reasonable.. what is interesting is how they change the definition of what an active publisher is based on the context.
normally, you are never doing enough, however much you are doing, and too little or some missed reporting will get you a talking to.. but note how they class 'active' in one of the latest body of elders letters:.
this book was suggested to me.
i couldn't put it down.
it isn't aimed at any religion but it does peg the abuse factor within them all.
The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse
"...they cannot balk since it isn't apostate."
They will approach it with at least a deep suspicion. It's a book that's from "Christendom" or "Babylon the Great". As we all know any religious book not published by the Watchtower is strongly discouraged if not condemned as it can lead to apostasy.
if you think the mormon church is off-the-scale crazy you probably don't know the half of it.. the historical information in this talk by david fitzgerald is fascinating.
the good news is that, just like the watchtower, their growth is being stunted by the internet.. grab a coffee and be amazed at just how gullible millions of people can be.. lucy harris has become my new heroine.
don't miss the section from 8:50.
@ Cold Steel:
"But as an atheist, you lack a moral dimension about such things because you don't see the harm in it."
I haven't been following this thread but that statement caught my attention. It's a false, arrogant statement and an insult to atheists. In the moral dimension atheists are no more, no less moral than their theistic counterparts. Morality and ethics are to one extent or another intrinsic to human nature. Some have it, some don't, others have a small amount. It's something that has evolved in us as a social creature in other to get along with each others.
"I brought up this rationalization problem and shifting ethics that change to accommodate society. It shifts because it's not grounded in a firm and moral foundation."
Christians have done a lot of shifting throughout the past 2,000 years.